SIKH A LEARNER

[GURSIKH]

HELLO  to  everyone here ,
an intro  to sikhism

literal meaning of a sikh is a learner and  guru  means  a teacher

sikhism was founded by guru nanak dev ji  15 century , in north india (PUNJAB), GURU NANAK sahib was followed by 2nd guru , then upto tenth nanak ,fifth  nanak ji compiled hymns of gurus and few hindus as well as muslims    into a holy book  and  installed at golden temple  amritsar , at his last moments tenth nanak  ordered sikhs that  now onwards this holy book  (GURU GRANTH SAHIB ) is your guru

below are FIRST  lines  from  GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI
à©´ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ à¨...ਕਾਲ ਮà©,ਰਤਿ à¨...ਜà©,ਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace ~

 
॥ ਜਪੁ ॥
Chant And Meditate:

 
ਆਦਿ ਸਚੁ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਸਚੁ ॥
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

 
ਹੈ ਭੀ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੋਸੀ ਭੀ ਸਚੁ ॥੧॥
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

 
ਸੋਚੈ ਸੋਚਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਸੋਚੀ ਲਖ ਵਾਰ ॥
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

 
ਚੁਪੈ ਚੁਪ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਲਾਇ ਰਹਾ ਲਿਵ ਤਾਰ ॥
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

 
ਭੁਖਿਆ ਭੁਖ ਨ ਉਤਰੀ ਜੇ ਬੰਨਾ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਭਾਰ ॥
The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.

 
ਸਹਸ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਲਖ ਹੋਹਿ ਤ ਇਕ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

 
ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕà©,ੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥
So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

 
ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥
O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam ie His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

 
ਹੁਕਮੀ ਹੋਵਨਿ ਆਕਾਰ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਜਾਈ ॥
By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described.

 
ਹੁਕਮੀ ਹੋਵਨਿ ਜੀà¨... ਹੁਕਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥
By His Command, souls come into being; by His Command, glory and greatness are obtained.

 
ਹੁਕਮੀ ਉਤਮੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਦੁਖ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਈà¨...ਹਿ ॥
By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.

 
ਇਕਨਾ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਬਖਸੀਸ ਇਕਿ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਸਦਾ ਭਵਾਈà¨...ਹਿ ॥
Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever.

 
ਹੁਕਮੈ à¨...ੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command.

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੈ ਜੇ ਬੁਝੈ ਤ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥
O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego. ||2

[Will]

Interesting information.

Just curious, what's the discussion?  

[GURSIKH]

willravel     Interesting information.

Just curious, what's the discussion?

sir we can discuss anything .

 below ang ie page 4-5 of guru granth sahib


 
ਕਵਣੁ ਸੁ ਵੇਲਾ ਵਖਤੁ ਕਵਣੁ ਕਵਣ ਥਿਤਿ ਕਵਣੁ ਵਾਰੁ ॥
What was that time, and what was that moment? What was that day, and what was that date?

 
ਕਵਣਿ ਸਿ ਰੁਤੀ ਮਾਹੁ ਕਵਣੁ ਜਿਤੁ ਹੋਆ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥
What was that season, and what was that month, when the Universe was created?

 
ਵੇਲ ਨ ਪਾਈਆ ਪੰਡਤੀ ਜਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਲੇਖੁ ਪੁਰਾਣੁ ॥
The Pandits, the religious scholars, cannot find that time, therefore not  written in the Puraanas.

 
ਵਖਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇà¨" ਕਾਦੀਆ ਜਿ ਲਿਖਨਿ ਲੇਖੁ ਕੁਰਾਣੁ ॥
That time is not known to the Qazis, who study the Koran.

 
ਥਿਤਿ ਵਾਰੁ ਨਾ ਜੋਗੀ ਜਾਣੈ ਰੁਤਿ ਮਾਹੁ ਨਾ ਕੋਈ ॥
The day and the date are not known to the Yogis, nor is the month or the season.

 
ਜਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਿਰਠੀ ਕਉ ਸਾਜੇ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ॥
The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows.

 
ਕਿਵ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਾ ਕਿਵ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਕਿਉ ਵਰਨੀ ਕਿਵ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
How can we speak of Him? How can we praise Him? How can we describe Him? How can we know Him?  



ਨਾਨਕ ਆਖਣਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਇਕ ਦà©, ਇਕੁ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥
O Nanak, everyone speaks of Him, each one wiser than the rest.

 
ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਵਡੀ ਨਾਈ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਹੋਵੈ ॥
Great is the Master, Great is His Name. Whatever happens is according to His Will.

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਆਪੌ ਜਾਣੈ à¨...ਗੈ ਗਇਆ ਨ ਸੋਹੈ ॥੨੧॥
O Nanak, one who claims to know everything shall not be decorated in the world hereafter. ||21||

 
ਪਾਤਾਲਾ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਲਖ ਆਗਾਸਾ ਆਗਾਸ ॥
There are nether worlds beneath nether worlds, and hundreds of thousands of heavenly worlds above.

 
à¨"ੜਕ à¨"ੜਕ ਭਾਲਿ ਥਕੇ ਵੇਦ ਕਹਨਿ ਇਕ ਵਾਤ ॥
The Vedas say that you can search and search for them all, until you grow weary.

 
ਸਹਸ à¨...ਠਾਰਹ ਕਹਨਿ ਕਤੇਬਾ à¨...ਸੁਲà©, ਇਕੁ ਧਾਤੁ ॥
The scriptures say that there are 18,000 worlds, but in reality, there is only One Universe.

 
ਲੇਖਾ ਹੋਇ ਤ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਲੇਖੈ ਹੋਇ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥
If you try to write an account of this, you will surely finish yourself before you finish writing it.

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਵਡਾ ਆਖੀਐ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪੁ ॥੨੨॥
O Nanak, call Him Great! He Himself knows Himself. ||22||

 
ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਸਾਲਾਹਿ ਏਤੀ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਈਆ ॥
The praisers praise the Lord, but they do not obtain intuitive understanding -

 
ਨਦੀਆ à¨...ਤੈ ਵਾਹ ਪਵਹਿ ਸਮੁੰਦਿ ਨ ਜਾਣੀà¨...ਹਿ ॥
the streams and rivers flowing into the ocean do not know its vastness.

 
ਸਮੁੰਦ ਸਾਹ ਸੁਲਤਾਨ ਗਿਰਹਾ ਸੇਤੀ ਮਾਲੁ ਧਨੁ ॥
Even kings and emperors, with mountains of property and oceans of wealth -

 
ਕੀੜੀ ਤੁਲਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਨੀ ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਮਨਹੁ ਨ ਵੀਸਰਹਿ ॥੨੩॥
these are not even equal to an ant, who does not forget God. ||23||

 
à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਸਿਫਤੀ ਕਹਣਿ ਨ à¨...ੰਤੁ ॥
Endless are His Praises, endless are those who speak them.

 
à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਕਰਣੈ ਦੇਣਿ ਨ à¨...ੰਤੁ ॥
Endless are His Actions, endless are His Gifts.

 
à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਵੇਖਣਿ ਸੁਣਣਿ ਨ à¨...ੰਤੁ ॥
Endless is His Vision, endless is His Hearing.

 
à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਕਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਮੰਤੁ ॥
His limits cannot be perceived. What is the Mystery of His Mind?

 
à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਕੀਤਾ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥
The limits of the created universe cannot be perceived.

 
à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰੁ ॥
Its limits here and beyond cannot be perceived.

 
à¨...ੰਤ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਬਿਲਲਾਹਿ ॥
Many struggle to know His limits,

 
ਤਾ ਕੇ à¨...ੰਤ ਨ ਪਾਏ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
but His limits cannot be found.

 
ਏਹੁ à¨...ੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
No one can know these limits.

 
ਬਹੁਤਾ ਕਹੀਐ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
The more you say about them, the more there still remains to be said.

 
ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਊਚਾ ਥਾਉ ॥
Great is the Master, High is His Heavenly Home.

 
ਊਚੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਊਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥
Highest of the High, above all is His Name.

 
ਏਵਡੁ ਊਚਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
Only one as Great and as High as God

 
ਤਿਸੁ ਊਚੇ ਕਉ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਇ ॥
can know His Lofty and Exalted State.

 
ਜੇਵਡੁ ਆਪਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪਿ ਆਪਿ ॥
Only He Himself is that Great. He Himself knows Himself.

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੨੪॥
O Nanak, by His Glance of Grace, He bestows His Blessings. ||24||

 
ਬਹੁਤਾ ਕਰਮੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾ ਜਾਇ ॥
His Blessings are so abundant that there can be no written account of them.

 
ਵਡਾ ਦਾਤਾ ਤਿਲੁ ਨ ਤਮਾਇ ॥
The Great Giver does not hold back anything.

 
ਕੇਤੇ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਜੋਧ à¨...ਪਾਰ ॥
There are so many great, heroic warriors begging at the Door of the Infinite Lord.

 
ਕੇਤਿਆ ਗਣਤ ਨਹੀ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
So many contemplate and dwell upon Him, that they cannot be counted.

 
ਕੇਤੇ ਖਪਿ ਤੁਟਹਿ ਵੇਕਾਰ ॥
So many waste away to death engaged in corruption.

 
ਕੇਤੇ ਲੈ ਲੈ ਮੁਕਰੁ ਪਾਹਿ ॥
So many take and take again, and then deny receiving.

 
ਕੇਤੇ ਮà©,ਰਖ ਖਾਹੀ ਖਾਹਿ ॥
So many foolish consumers keep on consuming.

 
ਕੇਤਿਆ ਦà©,ਖ ਭà©,ਖ ਸਦ ਮਾਰ ॥
So many endure distress, deprivation and constant abuse.

 
ਏਹਿ ਭਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਦਾਤਾਰ ॥
Even these are Your Gifts, O Great Giver!

 
ਬੰਦਿ ਖਲਾਸੀ ਭਾਣੈ ਹੋਇ ॥
Liberation from bondage comes only by Your Will.

 
ਹੋਰੁ ਆਖਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
No one else has any say in this.

 
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਖਾਇਕੁ ਆਖਣਿ ਪਾਇ ॥
If some fool should presume to say that he does,

 
à¨"ਹੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇਤੀਆ ਮੁਹਿ ਖਾਇ ॥
he shall learn, and feel the effects of his folly.

 
ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪੇ ਦੇਇ ॥
He Himself knows, He Himself gives.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਸਿ ਭਿ ਕੇਈ ਕੇਇ ॥
Few, very few are those who acknowledge this.

 
ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਬਖਸੇ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਾਲਾਹ ॥
One who is blessed to sing the Praises of the Lord,

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ॥੨੫॥
O Nanak, is the king of kings. ||25||

 
à¨...ਮੁਲ ਗੁਣ à¨...ਮੁਲ ਵਾਪਾਰ ॥
Priceless are His Virtues, Priceless are His Dealings.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲ ਵਾਪਾਰੀਏ à¨...ਮੁਲ ਭੰਡਾਰ ॥
Priceless are His Dealers, Priceless are His Treasures.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲ ਆਵਹਿ à¨...ਮੁਲ ਲੈ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
Priceless are those who come to Him, Priceless are those who buy from Him.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲ ਭਾਇ à¨...ਮੁਲਾ ਸਮਾਹਿ ॥
Priceless is Love for Him, Priceless is absorption into Him.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਧਰਮੁ à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
Priceless is the Divine Law of Dharma, Priceless is the Divine Court of Justice.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਤੁਲੁ à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
Priceless are the scales, priceless are the weights.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਬਖਸੀਸ à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਨੀਸਾਣੁ ॥
Priceless are His Blessings, Priceless is His Banner and Insignia.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਕਰਮੁ à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥
Priceless is His Mercy, Priceless is His Royal Command.

 
à¨...ਮੁਲੋ à¨...ਮੁਲੁ ਆਖਿਆ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
Priceless, O Priceless beyond expression!

 
ਆਖਿ ਆਖਿ ਰਹੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥
Speak of Him continually, and remain absorbed in His Love.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਵੇਦ ਪਾਠ ਪੁਰਾਣ ॥
The Vedas and the Puraanas speak.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਪੜੇ ਕਰਹਿ ਵਖਿਆਣ ॥
The scholars speak and lecture.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਬਰਮੇ ਆਖਹਿ ਇੰਦ ॥
Brahma speaks, Indra speaks.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਗੋਪੀ ਤੈ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ॥
The Gopis and Krishna speak.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਈਸਰ ਆਖਹਿ ਸਿਧ ॥
Shiva speaks, the Siddhas speak.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਬੁਧ ॥
The many created Buddhas speak.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਦਾਨਵ ਆਖਹਿ ਦੇਵ ॥
The demons speak, the demi-gods speak.

 
ਆਖਹਿ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਮੁਨਿ ਜਨ ਸੇਵ ॥
The spiritual warriors, the heavenly beings, the silent sages, the humble and serviceful speak.

 
ਕੇਤੇ ਆਖਹਿ ਆਖਣਿ ਪਾਹਿ ॥
Many speak and try to describe Him.

 
ਕੇਤੇ ਕਹਿ ਕਹਿ ਉਠਿ ਉਠਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
Many have spoken of Him over and over again, and have then arisen and departed.

 
ਏਤੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਹੋਰਿ ਕਰੇਹਿ ॥
If He were to create as many again as there already are,

 
ਤਾ ਆਖਿ ਨ ਸਕਹਿ ਕੇਈ ਕੇਇ ॥
even then, they could not describe Him.

 
ਜੇਵਡੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤੇਵਡੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
He is as Great as He wishes to be.

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾਣੈ ਸਾਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥
O Nanak, the True Lord knows.

 
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਬੋਲੁਵਿਗਾੜੁ ॥
If anyone presumes to describe God,

 
ਤਾ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਸਿਰਿ ਗਾਵਾਰਾ ਗਾਵਾਰੁ ॥੨੬॥
he shall be known as the greatest fool of fools! ||26

[Asmodean]

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਬੋਲੁਵਿਗਾੜੁ ॥
If anyone presumes to describe God,

 
ਤਾ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਸਿਰਿ ਗਾਵਾਰਾ ਗਾਵਾਰੁ ॥੨੬॥
he shall be known as the greatest fool of fools! ||26

If no-one can describe god, what is the purpose of believing in it?

[Will]

Is Waheguru a personal deity or a pantheistic definition for everything?

[Squid]

"Fascinating story. Did you think about adapting it to the stage?" - Book of House 1:14

[Jolly Sapper]

By His Command, bodies are created;

and

His Command cannot be described.

Seem to contradict each other as "by his command, bodies are created" seems to describe His Command.
Unless I'm supposed to look at this in a less literal sense and it is to mean that humanity is unable to comprehend the language that His Commands are created with.

[Tom62]

I didn't know anything about Sikhs,other then they originally come from Punjab, India; that the Sikh men wear impressive turbans and beards; that there are many Sikhs in the British and Indian Army; and that all Sikhs share the same last name. For that reason I looked it up in Wikipedia, which gives a  very positive view on Sikhism (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism). Since the Sikh God is undefined and unknowable, one can interpret God as the Universe itself.

[McQ]

Interesting intro to Sikh. Thanks. A little long, but good. Many of the quotations are universal and appear in many forms and different religions, as well as in secular philosophy. Seeking truth, etc. is pretty universal (at least I like to think so).

Reminder to all that this is the proper place in the forum to post this kind of thing and to please be respectful in replies. I'm sure i won't become a sikh any time soon, but it's nice to hear about it first hand.

[Tom62]

Hi GURSIKH, why don't you tell a little more about yourself. You cut and paste a lot of texts in your messages, which leaves little room for discussion and  doesn't bring much either. Many people, including  me tend to skip very long "cut and paste" messages. better would be to provide us a link where the (translated) texts can be found, so that everyone who is interested in your religion can read it for themselves.

[GURSIKH]

hello

jolly sapper  wrote
  " By His Command, bodies are created;

and

His Command cannot be described. "


Seem to contradict each other

dear nothing is contradictory  there ,both line are true ,HE do everyting and none knows

guru ganth sahib 1250  says
ਰਾਜਾਸ੍ਰਮ ਮਿਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨੀ ਤੇਰੀ ॥
O God, I know not the limit of Thine Royal place.

 
ਤੇਰੇ ਸੰਤਨ ਕੀ ਹਉ ਚੇਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
I am the hand-maiden of Thine saints. Pause.

 
ਹਸਤੋ ਜਾਇ ਸੁ ਰੋਵਤੁ ਆਵੈ ਰੋਵਤੁ ਜਾਇ ਸੁ ਹਸੈ ॥
He, who goes laughing, returns weeping  and he, who goes weeping, returns laughing.

 
ਬਸਤੋ ਹੋਇ ਹੋਇ ਸ ਊਜਰੁ ਊਜਰੁ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਬਸੈ ॥੧॥
What is inhabited, that becomes deserted and what is deserted that becomes inhabited.

 
ਜਲ ਤੇ ਥਲ ਕਰਿ ਥਲ ਤੇ ਕà©,ਆ ਕà©,ਪ ਤੇ ਮੇਰੁ ਕਰਾਵੈ ॥
The Lord turns water into desert and desert into a well and from a well, He makes a mountain.

 
ਧਰਤੀ ਤੇ ਆਕਾਸਿ ਚਢਾਵੈ ਚਢੇ à¨...ਕਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਵੈ ॥੨॥
From the earth, God raises man to the sky and when he has ascended to the sky, He dashes him down.

 
ਭੇਖਾਰੀ ਤੇ ਰਾਜੁ ਕਰਾਵੈ ਰਾਜਾ ਤੇ ਭੇਖਾਰੀ ॥
A beggar, He makes rule an empire    and a king, He turns into a beggar.

 
ਖਲ ਮà©,ਰਖ ਤੇ ਪੰਡਿਤੁ ਕਰਿਬੋ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਤੇ ਮੁਗਧਾਰੀ ॥੩॥
From an idiot and a blackhead God makes a scholar and from a scholar a  fool

 
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਸਾਧà©, ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਮà©,ਰਤਿ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ॥੪॥੨॥
Says Kabir, God is the Beloved of His saints, Unto His vision, I am a sacrifice.
 

[GURSIKH]

thanx mcq  for your  kind gesture

mcq wrote   I'm sure i won't become a sikh any time soon

guru wants  every one to be a  good human beeing , where there is no hatred , and  there is no question  unanswared , where there is always a victory  , love and peace .

guru  asks a hindu to be a good hindu , a muslim a good muslim , a yogi  a good yogi , same apply to you

PLZ WITH A PATIENCE  READ EACH  FOLLOWING LINE ,  
following for a muslim guru sahib says


ਹੋਇ ਪੈ ਖਾਕ ਫਕੀਰ ਮੁਸਾਫਰੁ ਇਹੁ ਦਰਵੇਸੁ ਕਬà©,ਲੁ ਦਰਾ ॥੧॥
Become the dust of the feet of the humble fakeers, and consider yourself a traveler on this journey. O saintly dervish, you shall be approved in the Court of the Lord. ||1||

 
ਸਚੁ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਯਕੀਨ ਮੁਸਲਾ ॥
Let Truth be your NIMAJ (muslim prayer), and faith your prayer-mat.
 
ਦਸ à¨...ਉਰਾਤ ਰਖਹੁ ਬਦ ਰਾਹੀ ॥
restrain the sensory organs from straying into evil.

 
ਪੰਚ ਮਰਦ ਸਿਦਕਿ ਲੇ ਬਾਧਹੁ ਖੈਰਿ ਸਬà©,ਰੀ ਕਬà©,ਲ ਪਰਾ ॥੪॥
Tie up the five demons of desire with faith, charity and contentment, and you shall be acceptable. ||4||
 
 à¨¸à¨šà© ਕਮਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਕਾਜੀ ॥
He alone is a Qazi, who practices the Truth.

 
ਜੋ ਦਿਲੁ ਸੋਧੈ ਸੋਈ ਹਾਜੀ ॥
He alone is a Haji, a pilgrim to Mecca, who purifies his heart.

 à¨®à©à¨¸à¨²à¨®à¨¾à¨£à© ਮੋਮ ਦਿਲਿ ਹੋਵੈ ॥
To be Muslim is to be kind-hearted,

 
à¨...ੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਮਲੁ ਦਿਲ ਤੇ ਧੋਵੈ ॥
and wash away pollution from within the heart.
 


to  yogi  guru sahib  says to become  a good yogi

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

 
ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਖਿੰਥਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਡੰਡੈ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਭਸਮ ਚੜਾਈਐ ॥
Yoga is not the patched coat, Yoga is not the walking stick. Yoga is not smearing the body with ashes.

 
ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਮੁੰਦੀ ਮà©,ੰਡਿ ਮੁਡਾਇਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਈਐ ॥
Yoga is not the ear-rings, and not the shaven head. Yoga is not the blowing of the horn.

 
à¨...ੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੧॥
Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||1||

 
ਗਲੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥
By mere words, Yoga is not attained.

 
ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
One who looks upon all with a single eye, and knows them to be one and the same - he alone is known as a Yogi. ||1||Pause||

 
ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੜੀ ਮਸਾਣੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਈਐ ॥
Yoga is not wandering to the tombs of the dead; Yoga is not sitting in trances.

 
ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਦੇਸਿ ਦਿਸੰਤਰਿ ਭਵਿਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਈਐ ॥
Yoga is not wandering through foreign lands; Yoga is not bathing at sacred shrines of pilgrimage.

 
à¨...ੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥
Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2||

 
ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੇਟੈ ਤਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਤà©,ਟੈ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਵਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈਐ ॥
Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained.

 
ਨਿਝਰੁ ਝਰੈ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਈਐ ॥
Nectar rains down, celestial music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained.

 
à¨...ੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੩॥
Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||3||

 
ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਮਰਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥
O Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga.

 
ਵਾਜੇ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਜੈ ਤਉ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥
When the horn is blown without being blown, then you shall attain the state of fearless dignity.

 
à¨...ੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਤਉ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੪॥੧॥੮॥
Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||4||1||8
 


not writing for many others , already long post  , sorry,  THANX

[GURSIKH]

by Willravel  

Is Waheguru a personal deity or a pantheistic definition for everything?

waheguru is not a diety  ,HE IS formless and  beyond time ie  not within space time coordinate  

à©´ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ à¨...ਕਾਲ ਮà©,ਰਤਿ à¨...ਜà©,ਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
There is but one God(waheguru). True is His Name, creative His personality and immortal His form. He is without fear sans enmity, unborn and self-illumined. By the Guru's grace He is obtained.

[GURSIKH]

by Asmodean

GURSIKH wrote:
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਬੋਲੁਵਿਗਾੜੁ ॥
If anyone presumes to describe God,


ਤਾ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਸਿਰਿ ਗਾਵਾਰਾ ਗਾਵਾਰੁ ॥੨੬॥
he shall be known as the greatest fool of fools! ||26

If no-one can describe god, what is the purpose of believing in it  ?

purpose  of believing  god  is to become  god .

[GURSIKH]

hello tom  

here is link to  the entire  guru granth sahib ji , you can enter any page no

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurban ... =1&p=0&k=0